Posts Tagged ‘Perfect Pitch’

The nuturing perfect pitch…

Monday, July 6th, 2009

I’ve been following Diana Deutsch’s work for some years and had been really intrigued with her studies done on speakers of tonal languages (e.g. Mandarin, Vietnamese, and my native Thai) and the seemingly higher proportion of individuals with so-called “Perfect Pitch” (long considered to be a genetic rarity). Here’s a recent article chronicling her work.

The study described by the following was very interesting:

Deutsch then set out to investigate perfect pitch in music. In 2004, she found that students at the Central Conservatory of Music in Beijing, China, all of whom spoke Mandarin, were almost nine times more likely to have perfect pitch than students at the Eastman School of Music in New York.

and as the article says, “That last study, however, left open the question of whether perfect pitch might be a genetic trait – since all the Mandarin speakers were East Asian.”

So the follow up is described:

The present study looked at 203 students at the University of Southern California’s Thornton School of Music, all of whom agreed to take the test in class (so there was no self-selection in the sample).

Deutsch and her colleagues found that students who spoke an East Asian tone language very fluently scored nearly 100 percent on the test, and that students who were only fairly fluent in a tone language scored lower overall.

Those students – either Caucasian or East Asian – who were not at all fluent in speaking a tone language scored the worst on average, said an UCSD release.

These findings were published in the Journal of the Acoustical Society of America.

I guess I’ll have to go find this article now!

(17:06) Is musical talent a result of genetics????

Friday, November 4th, 2005

This post originally posted here.

by Noiseman433 on Fri Nov 04, 2005 5:06 pm

Commonguy wrote:
With no scientific reasoning, I’m going nurture over nature on this one.

Though I’d guess some of us are more naturally wired for music than others.

Lizra wrote:
Of course there is no such thing as a music gene, art gene, math gene etc. There are millions of genes, all “setting up” a human with unque, individual mixtures. Intricate combinations of different genes that come from previous generations gives some better/worse abilties in certain areas than others…if they are nutured. And also, *how* these abilities develop (in what manner or style, as a nod to Noiseman) depends on how they are nurtured. But I firmly believe everything (about a person) STARTS with genetics. Everything. :D

Yeah, I’m not denying genes [sic] play a part–it all start with genetics, all I’m denying is that there is anything specific for music (or language for that matter). General genetic “advantages” may play a part, but can easily be overridden by culture.

Even general differences, like the fact that women, as a whole, have better fine manual motor skills than men, hasn’t changed the proportion of, for example, the number of female musicians you see playing guitars in rock/pop music (granted–the number of classically trained female musicians is roughly equal to classically trained male musicians).

The thing is to [sic] look at a specific genetic trait, that those just become a part of the environment within which anyone develops (in the case of genes, those are a part of the “internal” environment). If absolute pitch is genetic, that doesn’t insure that a person will even decide to be a musician (as a number of people in the thread about “Perfect Pitch” have pointed out). If you never develop a way to use some genetic predisposition, it isnt going to matter much whether you have it.

Genes don’t make the musician. We each choose either to be one or not and use whatever resources are at hand. Some of us just happen to have rich resources (a musical family, for example) which makes things easier.